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Title: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Poz on September 11, 2017, 03:55:55 PM
Good performance on the road should give everyone confidence. Looking to improve on that however and maybe Yedlin can be started at right back instead of Manquillo who should technically be only an understudy.
Pity we can't include LeJeune who was magnificent pre-season and looks to be an absolute self-assured rock against what will be a tall Stoke team. Clarke however has done nothing wrong to lose the shirt so a nice predicament.

Jacob Murphy has looked out of his depth so far and Atsu was rather headless late on so I would give the wide berth to Aarons who was really the only stand-out player against Forest in the cup a game in which Murphy was anonymous.

Thoughts???
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Scoot on September 12, 2017, 04:50:12 PM
Yeah, I'd like to see Aarons given a go as well.

Looking forward to the game and a good day out too.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: OmegaprimeVKM on September 12, 2017, 05:23:43 PM
The minimum target for this game should be to take a point.

Judging by the fact that NUFC have started against 3 easier teams I'm pleased to see the level of goals that have been conceded as low, however, I can't see that being maintained with the 9 Champions League team games yet to be played this season.

Stoke have started well, and played well against Manchester United so I expect them to turn up and go for it.

Are we sure Lejeune won't start? I guess that Clark and Lascelles will keep their places after a good performance on Sunday but playing Clark at LB against a tall Stoke team wouldn't be a boon - it might help in preventing those cross box goals that Choupo-Moting was able to get on the end of. We'll need big and brave defending and I think NUFC will be at a disadvantage without Mbemba who is historically helpful in the box, despite his height.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: TK on September 12, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
Reckon Joselu will be fired up to show them what they've let go.


I'm not sure on the left... Aarons looks good going forward, but it has be a team that continues to fight for each other - and LB is hardly our best position whoever we stick there.


I reckon we can give these a game - we look okay defensively at the moment (a rarity for us), I don't think there'll be more than a goal in it one way or the other...
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Surreymag on September 12, 2017, 05:49:28 PM
Reckon Joselu will be fired up to show them what they've let go.


I'm not sure on the left... Aarons looks good going forward, but it has be a team that continues to fight for each other - and LB is hardly our best position whoever we stick there.


I reckon we can give these a game - we look okay defensively at the moment (a rarity for us), I don't think there'll be more than a goal in it one way or the other...
I agree we will give them a decent game and the result will be tight.I will sit in the fence and go for a 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Niffoc88 on September 12, 2017, 05:59:12 PM
We're at Home and I can see that being an advantage. I too hope that Joselu is fired up he had a few chances against Swansea. And if we improve on that last performance we should be looking at a close game.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: peachy on September 13, 2017, 09:14:10 AM
Historically good record at home to stoke in all comps pld 41, won 28, drwn 9, lost 4, goals for 99, goals against 34, Joselu with a point to prove to Hughes, Stoke were quite impressive v manutd but that's the norm in Hughes managerial career he always has his teams fired up against them having played almost 350 games for the tw*ts, he clearly wants to be their manager at some point (in his fooking dreams)

Prediction: Newcastle 3 (Joselu 2, Ritchie) Stoke 1 (Cheapo-Moting)
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Poz on September 13, 2017, 09:15:21 AM
Pity about Mitrovic - Stoke are his kind of team to get stuck into physical battles with - on the same note Ayoze Perez would not be in my team for exactly that reason.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: OmegaprimeVKM on September 13, 2017, 09:40:30 AM
Pity about Mitrovic - Stoke are his kind of team to get stuck into physical battles with - on the same note Ayoze Perez would not be in my team for exactly that reason.

Pretty sure he'll end up starting again though :(
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ohsholaameobi on September 13, 2017, 11:37:07 AM
Just hope we turn up and get the job done.

Elliot
Yedlin Lascelles Clark Gamez
Hayden Merino
Ritchie Shelvey Aarons
Joselu

Bench: Woodman, Lejeune, Manquillo, Diame, Atsu, Perez, Gayle
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 13, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
Atsu has to start. He was excellent again coming on against Swansea in a game he should have never been on the bench for in the first place. He's the best out and out winger at the club, quite a bit ahead of Aarons in my opinion.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Scoot on September 13, 2017, 08:52:06 PM
Perez is good at closing people down and not giving opposition players any time on the ball and i reckon thats why Rafa keeps picking him.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 13, 2017, 09:04:44 PM
-------------------Elliot------------------
Gamez---Lascelles---Clark---Manquillo
-----------Hayden---Merino-------------
Ritchie----------Perez--------------Atsu
-----------------Joselu-------------------

Shelvey has shot himself in the foot to be honest. His idiocy should see him miss out again this weekend. How can anybody justify him getting back into an in-form midfield? I don't think Rafa holds any sentiment in giving players starts either. I think we should expect to see him out of the 11 for the foreseeable future, and whilst he's a very talented player - I say good.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: TK on September 13, 2017, 11:20:01 PM
Perez is good at closing people down and not giving opposition players any time on the ball and i reckon thats why Rafa keeps picking him.

Precisely... defending from the front, helping prevent the other team gaining too much rythmn, distracting defence from other attackers.

Every now and again he'll do something special in an attacking sense, but mostly he's there to be a bit of a pain - he does a job, even if it's not immediately obvious.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: peachy on September 13, 2017, 11:37:59 PM
Atsu has to start. He was excellent again coming on against Swansea in a game he should have never been on the bench for in the first place. He's the best out and out winger at the club, quite a bit ahead of Aarons in my opinion.

I want to agree because I am chuffed for Atsu to be settled here after having an insecure few years on loan all over the shop, now finally at the age of 25 he has a four-year contract under his belt and can at last feel part of something instead of wondering where the f*ck he is going next. I thought this would calm him down but at swansea he was still tripping over the ball too much its almost like his feet move too quick for his brain or vice-versa, we had LuaLua who had the same problem years ago, seem to be trying too hard and you just find yourself wishing for the neat and tidy composure of Mr Terry Hibbert who could sprint down the left flank with those thin little bandy legs skin a defender, light a tab, then with a single glance into the box he could pick out either supermac or Tudor with a swing of that sweet left peg.

So back to reality and personally if Aarons is good to go I would start him against Stoke, and he will do the business this season if he can steer clear of trouble and injuries, I think this kid is an immense talent and is desperate for an opportunity to show what he can do.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ohsholaameobi on September 14, 2017, 11:24:45 AM
Reason I like Aarons is soon as he gets the ball he has a go and runs at them, his pace is faster than anything we've had since Bellers and he's a canny finisher too. Atsu has something but he's very inconsistent with his dribbling.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: TK on September 14, 2017, 12:44:23 PM
Reason I like Aarons is soon as he gets the ball he has a go and runs at them, his pace is faster than anything we've had since Bellers and he's a canny finisher too. Atsu has something but he's very inconsistent with his dribbling.

We've had some f***ing quick bazzas since Bellers - useless players but very fast (Siss, Obertan... Martins could run when he felt like it too, not often but...)
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: gaspytoon on September 14, 2017, 01:07:21 PM
Stoke are an annoying team, they're like West Brom, unpredictable!!!

We can expect a physical game & probably a few yellow cards!!! It's a close game to call for me but i think we just have enough to get a win.

2-1 Hopefully :thumbs:
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: PsyQlix on September 14, 2017, 01:43:36 PM
Another tough game. A step up from West Ham and Swansea. One goal in it if theres a winner

Atsu - I think that he has had a good start to the season. He has come on leaps and bounds in the last year. Aarons progress has obviously been curtailed by injuries. He looks exciting but the big difference will be in knowledge of and application of Rafa's system.

Atsu has been drilled throughout the 2nd half of last season and by the end of the season was producing the goods more regularly. Aarons had not had the chance to practice these drills as much, even in training. Rafa will not play anyone that does not rigorously apply the team drills - see Mitro for this. Diame was preferred to Perez for long periods last season. Perez to be fair is putting the work in this season on the defensive side.

I think that he will stick with Atsu for now. Aarons and Murphy will hopefully get more and more game time in the first half of the season from the bench. Both of them have the pace and skill to be competitive for the first 11 in time.

Another tough game on Saturday. Toon to get a point and keep progressing
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 14, 2017, 02:22:41 PM
I want to agree because I am chuffed for Atsu to be settled here after having an insecure few years on loan all over the shop, now finally at the age of 25 he has a four-year contract under his belt and can at last feel part of something instead of wondering where the f*ck he is going next. I thought this would calm him down but at swansea he was still tripping over the ball too much its almost like his feet move too quick for his brain or vice-versa, we had LuaLua who had the same problem years ago, seem to be trying too hard and you just find yourself wishing for the neat and tidy composure of Mr Terry Hibbert who could sprint down the left flank with those thin little bandy legs skin a defender, light a tab, then with a single glance into the box he could pick out either supermac or Tudor with a swing of that sweet left peg.

So back to reality and personally if Aarons is good to go I would start him against Stoke, and he will do the business this season if he can steer clear of trouble and injuries, I think this kid is an immense talent and is desperate for an opportunity to show what he can do.

For me, Atsu has shown more quality against high calibre opponents over a longer period of time. I think he is super effective in this league, where whilst not perfect as you say, his dribbling ability and pace are enough to beat his man more times than not. Aarons still very raw and hasn't had a run of games in his entire career at no fault of the club. Think he has work to do to be in our starting 11, his injuries are not his fault but it's definitely a problem as he's still very much an unknown quantity, although I appreciate you are excited about him and rate him. Jury is still out for me and I prefer Atsu quite comfortably at the moment.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: holycrosser on September 14, 2017, 07:21:43 PM
i promised to be a bit more upbeat after i finally saw a team that could keep us up...... :thumbs:

wouldn't be a set back if we got a point, we must try and pick something up against Stoke at home, any points are vital to steady us, a win would round off a fantastic few weeks.

i see 1-1  :cool:
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: R S on September 14, 2017, 07:31:17 PM
Would love 3 but happy with 1.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: peachy on September 14, 2017, 09:59:14 PM
Another tough game. A step up from West Ham and Swansea. One goal in it if theres a winner

Atsu - I think that he has had a good start to the season. He has come on leaps and bounds in the last year. Aarons progress has obviously been curtailed by injuries. He looks exciting but the big difference will be in knowledge of and application of Rafa's system.

Atsu has been drilled throughout the 2nd half of last season and by the end of the season was producing the goods more regularly. Aarons had not had the chance to practice these drills as much, even in training. Rafa will not play anyone that does not rigorously apply the team drills - see Mitro for this. Diame was preferred to Perez for long periods last season. Perez to be fair is putting the work in this season on the defensive side.

I think that he will stick with Atsu for now. Aarons and Murphy will hopefully get more and more game time in the first half of the season from the bench. Both of them have the pace and skill to be competitive for the first 11 in time.

Another tough game on Saturday. Toon to get a point and keep progressing

Eh?

Listen,  if they are good enough and train well in the week they start, that's the Rafa way, cannot see how Merino was exactly clued up with "the knowledge of and application of rafa's system" he just went out, played well and so keeps his place and rightly so.

And then this bit "Rafa will not play anyone that does not rigorously apply the team drills", you're talking as if he has a squad the size of fookin guardiola to choose from, and you also talk as if there is any actual regular pattern to our play, which there isn't,....the reality is he will start with what he sees as the best players in every position BUT which also depends on who has trained well in the week. It's a good situation when they are all fit to have murphy, atsu, aarons and ritchie all competing for wide positions, just as it should be.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 15, 2017, 08:54:10 AM
Eh?

Listen,  if they are good enough and train well in the week they start, that's the Rafa way, cannot see how Merino was exactly clued up with "the knowledge of and application of rafa's system" he just went out, played well and so keeps his place and rightly so.

And then this bit "Rafa will not play anyone that does not rigorously apply the team drills", you're talking as if he has a squad the size of fookin guardiola to choose from, and you also talk as if there is any actual regular pattern to our play, which there isn't,....the reality is he will start with what he sees as the best players in every position BUT which also depends on who has trained well in the week. It's a good situation when they are all fit to have murphy, atsu, aarons and ritchie all competing for wide positions, just as it should be.

You are so obnoxious man :lol: Why do you feel the need to reply to a well-reasoned post with "eh?" and "listen"... as if you're the voice of authority.

For what it's worth, he's bang on, Rafa plays the players he can trust to play out his tactics. Atsu is much more reliable than Aarons.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: peachy on September 15, 2017, 09:43:46 AM
You are so obnoxious man :lol: Why do you feel the need to reply to a well-reasoned post with "eh?" and "listen"... as if you're the voice of authority.

For what it's worth, he's bang on, Rafa plays the players he can trust to play out his tactics. Atsu is much more reliable than Aarons.

Eh?

Listen,.Rafa has never had the opportunity to find out if he trusts aarons or not, he's always been injured or had some off-field antics going on, and if he "trusts" Atsu as much as you say why did he start Murphy at Swansea? that blows the well reasoned post clean out of the water  :lol:

4 games in and we havent played the same in any other of them, there is no pattern to the play at all, Spurs match was ruined by injury and the sending off so whatver tactics we started with went out the window, we were dreadful at 'uddersfield, brilliant against West Ham, then subdued first half at Swansea, improved second half, but in general Rafa is trying to get the balance of the side right, he will have seen that Murphy is far too lightweight for the prem, he will have seen how Atsu done reasonably well until the final ball into the box in which he failed to produce time and time again so how is that what you call "reliable"?

He will pick whoever out of the three of them can consistently skin a defender and get some quality crosses into the box, now he wont know which that is untill he has given all three of them a chance to show what they can do. He gave Murphy an hour at Swansea which was fair enough the lad deserves a chance, he may start with Atsu against Stoke but that left wing position is by no means carved in stone, and as i said competition for places is a good thing to have.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 15, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
tl;dr
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: peachy on September 15, 2017, 07:03:05 PM
tl;dr

Whey lad how disappointing  :roll: I was hoping to come back home to an educated reply and I get that  :nonono:


PS, Oh btw one of my FOUR driving instructors once told me I was the most obnoxious pupil he had ever tried to learn to drive  :! :D
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Deffy. on September 15, 2017, 07:10:55 PM
Whey lad how disappointing  :roll: I was hoping to come back home to an educated reply and I get that  :nonono:


PS, Oh btw one of my FOUR driving instructors once told me I was the most obnoxious pupil he had ever tried to learn to drive  :! :D

4? Were you that obnoxious they kept dropping you?
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ohsholaameobi on September 15, 2017, 07:34:29 PM
We've had some f***ing quick bazzas since Bellers - useless players but very fast (Siss, Obertan... Martins could run when he felt like it too, not often but...)

Fabrice Pancrate...
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: peachy on September 15, 2017, 07:37:35 PM
4? Were you that obnoxious they kept dropping you?

No just this one dropped me, basically every time i failed a test i changed instructor
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ohsholaameobi on September 16, 2017, 12:00:43 PM
Saw this quote on the beeb from Alistair Mann: "With officially the youngest line-up in the Premier League, a successful season of consolidation could point to an encouraging future."

You win nothing with kids.

Don't be too harsh on them guys.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ToonArmyFan on September 16, 2017, 12:52:12 PM
need to keep Shaqiri quiet otherwise he will run riot
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 02:05:58 PM
Team for today is as follows:

------------------Elliot------------------
Yedlin---Lascelles---Clark---Mbemba

----------Hayden---Merino------------

Ritchie---------Perez------------Atsu

----------------Joselu-----------------


Bench:
Woodman
Lejeune
Manquillo
Diame
Murphy
Shelvey
Gayle
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 02:13:56 PM
Very happy with the team, good to see Yedlin, Mbemba & Atsu back. Gamez unlucky after playing well but Mbemba was brilliant against WHU.

I think we will win 2-1 with Joselu and Ayoze getting the goals.

Should be a good game, fairly strong Stoke team but nothing we can't match in my opinion.

Howaaaaaaaaay.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Toon1 on September 16, 2017, 02:31:42 PM
Mbembas physicality for set piece defending will be main reason he's back in today
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 02:47:18 PM
Mbembas physicality for set piece defending will be main reason he's back in today

As well as the fact Stoke have a very powerful player in Diouf on the wing, big, physical and quick, Mbemba will be much better at dealing with him than Manquillo or certainly Gamez would, who are smaller and slower respectively.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: arfur chimp on September 16, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
Nice to see the chancellor back.

Whys shelvey on the bench?
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
Nice to see the chancellor back.

Whys shelvey on the bench?

because Merino is class
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ToonArmyFan on September 16, 2017, 03:19:22 PM
get innnnnnnn
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 03:20:40 PM
WE ARE f***ing CLASSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
Joselu should have scored 2. Too eager? Needs to focus here.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ToonArmyFan on September 16, 2017, 03:47:57 PM
Sounds like we should be well clear hope we dont get punished for missing those chances
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 04:01:24 PM
Where is everyone? The forum is dead.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: dec6767 on September 16, 2017, 04:04:02 PM
f*cking hell joselu...
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 04:05:49 PM
Joselu FFS. How many does he need? shocking stuff, 3 sitters and only hit the target once. Very very poor finishing from him.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: paullaydon14 on September 16, 2017, 04:07:26 PM
Where is everyone? The forum is dead.
It`s been over moderated to death by a certain  unnamed  moderator :| :look:
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 04:11:45 PM
Perez having an excellent game
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ToonArmyFan on September 16, 2017, 04:13:52 PM
1-1 got what we deserve for missing so many chances
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: dec6767 on September 16, 2017, 04:14:50 PM
that's the difference then
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 04:15:49 PM
Hate to say it but this is f***ing Joselu's fault, chances he's missed are unforgivable unfortunately.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: john88 on September 16, 2017, 04:16:50 PM
thats cos joselu aint any good, hence why our opposition sold him. got to be ruthless, otherwise this happens.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: dec6767 on September 16, 2017, 04:16:53 PM
shouldn't settle for 1 point here
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: gaspytoon on September 16, 2017, 04:19:04 PM
Hate to say it but this is f***ing Joselu's fault, chances he's missed are unforgivable unfortunately.

Agreed, his personal hate of Stoke is making him lose focus!!!
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: DontSellCabaye on September 16, 2017, 04:20:05 PM
Agreed, his personal hate of Stoke is making him lose focus!!!


Yep, definitely suffering from a severe lack of composure, everytime the camera goes to him his head is down. Gayle needs to be brought on.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: john88 on September 16, 2017, 04:21:26 PM
rafa should of known his head wasnt right really, too eager to make the impact vs stoke
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ToonArmyFan on September 16, 2017, 04:24:35 PM
get innnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ToonArmyFan on September 16, 2017, 04:25:01 PM
lascalles is the f***ing man!
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: john88 on September 16, 2017, 04:25:11 PM
yess 2-1
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: dec6767 on September 16, 2017, 04:28:29 PM
imagine how good we could be with a proper transfer budget   :!
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: dec6767 on September 16, 2017, 04:45:17 PM
been some shocking finishing this match
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: john88 on September 16, 2017, 04:53:18 PM
what a win

three wins on the bounce

currently top 4

that huddersfield and transfer window seem a long time ago
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ToonArmyFan on September 16, 2017, 04:53:28 PM
big 3 points that  :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: marki on September 16, 2017, 04:53:44 PM
whats not to like ..GET IN :thumbs:
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: dec6767 on September 16, 2017, 04:53:46 PM
3 points again, stoke weren't up for it half as much as us

another day that's 4-1
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Brian Toon on September 16, 2017, 05:01:21 PM
Another 3 points closer to safety. Playing well all over the pitch but have tightened up in defence mostly which is fanny tastic
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: R S on September 16, 2017, 05:46:29 PM
Survival:  25% completed. Great result
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: optimistic geordie on September 16, 2017, 05:50:56 PM
Missed the match but what a result  long may it continue
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Bob the skutter on September 16, 2017, 06:08:43 PM
Happy happy happy.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: PsyQlix on September 16, 2017, 07:43:42 PM
Excellent performance, against a decent team. They have more quality in their 11 but we are superbly organised and work very hard without the ball. We are also starting to play a bit when we do get it.

First half we did not give them a sniff and really should have had 3 goals ourselves. Could not fault a single Toon player. We were a threat down both wings. Defended as a team from the front. Mbemba had a very good game. Won lots of headers as they constantly looked to switch play. Yedlin slotted in straight away. Electric pace.

Second half, we should have extended the lead, before Shaqiri brings a bit of magic and their first real shot on goal. Great spirit from the lads. Battle back, had chances and then Lascelles the match winner again.

We had a couple of hairy moments. Elliot with a great save from a corner. Crouch came on but he could not bring his hoodoo this time.

It was noticeable how committed and talkative the team was. When we lost the ball in overtime with midfield dawdling, it nearly cost us a goal which would have been harsh on the team. Immediately, Lascelles, Clark and Richie were on to everybody, pointing to players who to mark, where to be positioned, making sure we did not through it away.

This is a very different team to the disorganised, gutless shambles of the Maclaren Premiership vintage. Maclarens squad probably had better players as individuals, but that is where the comparison ends. It will take a good team to give us a hiding this season.

We don't rely on Shelvey or Gayle anymore. They will have their part to play this season, but as part of an organised team. A shout out to Perez. He workrate and defensive work is unrecognizable from the last two seasons. He is definitely doing his shift for the team. Merino continues to impress.

31 points to go

Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: R S on September 16, 2017, 09:01:14 PM
Overtime
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: AceLV74EVA on September 16, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
Great Post PsyQlix

I would add that I think their change from a back 4 to a back 3 really helped us as they were getting a lot of 2 on 1 vs Yedlin early on and I think the gaps between the 3 defenders were what we exploited attacking wise

I was pleased how much we created even if we didn't put them away as I thought creativity would be a huge issue this year but the team is proving me wrong.

I also think we look so much better at the back as well so much more balanced than we have over the last couple of years, I think having a good defender at LB really helps as if Mbemba had a leftfoot for something other than standing he might be the longterm answer there. Lascelles return to form has helped aswell and hopefully long may it continue

I really worried at the start of the season with our defensive organsation but you can see rafa has worked his wonders and we look so solid and we are a little away from being really decent, alternatively we are a couple of injuries from being in trouble

Elliot- Looked like he could have done better with their goal in the ground but made up for it with a worldie a few minutes later

Yedlin- His pace gives us another attacking dimension and it covers for his defensive lapses and bad decisions

Lascelles- Good header for the goal and was solid and commanding throughout

Clark- whisper it how many defenders in the league are playing better than the wall of Clark?

Mbemba- defensively dealt with everything, needs to get more practice in using his left foot though

Hayden- Blood and thunder performance  again, may cost him in the long run through injury or suspension but I like it

Merino-The lad is just a class act, calmness personified and just runs the shows

Ritchie- another 110% performance with 2 assists to boot, shame we don't have more of his ilk

Atsu- covered back well and got some good balls in but like against Swansea his decisions making is awful, he just seems to pick the wrong option too much he did it 3 times against Swansea in the last 5

Perez- a very hardworking performance, a constant nuisance

Joselu- lead the line well and puts himself about, but god his finishing was shocking today, hope it doesnt affect him too much. A very Mitroesque performance, good all round apart from finishing

Shelvey- didn't do much but made an awful decision to shoot on his left when Ritchie was wide open to his left

Gayle- put himself about

Diame- slowmo at his best

One final thing, what do people think on Joselu vs Gayle?

I think Gayle would put the chances away Joselu missed but would we play well enough to create the chances without Joselu doing the dirty work up top?

Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Fatlegend on September 16, 2017, 10:16:59 PM
Said it while the game was on. Gayle doesn't miss the chances that fell to Joselu. But would he be as effective overall? Unsure that Gayle has the qualities Rafa is looking for. Merino was class today.

On a related note had anyone seen the Mark Hughes interview after the game. You'd think Stoke had given us a hiding and we had gotten away with robbery. For me stoke we're dreadful for almost the entire game and but for some crappy refereeing and better finishing we could have been way out of site long before they pressed us in the last 10.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: t00nraider_ on September 16, 2017, 10:37:43 PM
Overtime
The bonuses mustn't be enough.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Finnish Geordie on September 17, 2017, 04:07:59 AM
I think we are more efective with big man upfront. Joselu had a mare with his finishing against his old club and yes Gayle would put in at least one of his changes. Joselu and Perez is starting to find each others better day by day so I would say his our first option striker atm
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: holycrosser on September 17, 2017, 07:29:11 AM

another 3 points towards safety  :thumbs:

getting them in early is a bonus as we have some tough games and batterings ahead, yet another great weekend
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: shotleyskunk on September 17, 2017, 08:48:25 AM
Good performance and more importantly 3 points. We should have put this game to bed within the hour with 3/4 gilt edged chances. Stoke caused us problems at the end with beanpole Crouch hoyed on to exploit the route 1,,which almost grabbed them an undeserved point,
                        All in all a good weekend and another game where we have shown we can compete in this league.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: OmegaprimeVKM on September 17, 2017, 10:10:14 AM
I don't think that the team was as comfortable as people are suggesting - there was, however, a better team yesterday and that was most certainly Newcastle. Finishing could use some work, especially Joselu, who's snatching at stuff (not surprised as he isn't a top striker) but there's daylight between the team now with him leading the line and the performances when Mitrovic plays up top - Joselu is definitely a better option for this style of play.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Surreymag on September 17, 2017, 11:01:28 AM
Cracking result very happy.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: Toon1 on September 17, 2017, 11:08:42 AM
Still hungover to f**k after that day but worth it - great result and we look like a team! We are taking advantage of the easier start and getting points on the board will breed confidence for when harder games come around
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: AceLV74EVA on September 17, 2017, 11:14:48 AM
Said it while the game was on. Gayle doesn't miss the chances that fell to Joselu. But would he be as effective overall? Unsure that Gayle has the qualities Rafa is looking for. Merino was class today.

On a related note had anyone seen the Mark Hughes interview after the game. You'd think Stoke had given us a hiding and we had gotten away with robbery. For me stoke we're dreadful for almost the entire game and but for some crappy refereeing and better finishing we could have been way out of site long before they pressed us in the last 10.

Mark Hughes was a horrible player who became a horrible manager

I think like Mitro its fine when chances are missed if we win the game but if we are missing the chances and not getting the win then Gayle may force himself back in
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: peachy on September 17, 2017, 11:36:44 AM
Had to take her youngest brother Jack (or jerk to his friends) with us to the match, think Mr Logic, glasses, zits, skinny as a f**king rake but with long hippy hair down to his a*se, so we're sitting in the Leazes about 2.30pm surveying the scene we overheard this guy in front banging on about the threat from North Korea if the war kicks off, my mate jokes 'that's the only thing that'll stop us getting three points today' we laughed, 10 minutes later we're talking about something else, suddenly Jerk stands up points to his left and says "whey if that's the East stand there,.. reet?" we agree, so he continues "that's the direction the rockets'll come from"  :| we had to explain to the daft c*nt we were only joking and little fat Kim has more important targets than SJP, although within 20 minutes of the match kicking off there was incoming from the east not so much a rocket but a cross as accurate as an Agni missile from Ritchie curling tantalisingly towards the far post, from where we were sitting young Atsu was right in our eyeline and as the move develops with Merino through the middle he is loitering with intent on the edge of the box but the second Ritchie launches it he turns on the afterburners and my word TV doesn't do his pace justice at all you have to be there and see it live, scintillating stuff, his eyes totally glued to the ball and you could hear the thump as he volleyed it into the net.

Obviously last season I always had confidence that we could win every game but this is the first time for god knows how long I have felt like that in a premiership match, feeling invincible after two straight wins seems f*cking ridiculous I agree, but it's because the team spirit is there the movement off the ball is there, the workrate of the players is phenomenal, Clark and Lascelles have been transformed, clearly that hernia op has done Lascelles the world of good, but also his concentration levels have improved so much (could be in the knowledge that Lejeune is waiting to nick his place if he f*cks up) he doesn't just talk the talk now he walks the walk and the whole squad genuinely respect him now and see him as the big boss man on the field, which every team needs,..when the teams came out I'm saying where's Yedlin? I do wish he would stop changing his appearance, he looked like Lascelles mini-me,..Jerk says "he's probably forgotten to renew his work permit, so has to be in disguise" (stoopid boy  :roll:).

I can honestly say now I have no sympathy with Joselu whatsoever, this was his perfect opportunity to stick two fingers up at Hughes and he bottled it, the first sitter he missed was just a bad first touch, ok I think it was Yedlins long range shot which deflectad and came at him at speed, Butland was out quickly but still I think he could have been braver even if it ended in colliding with Butland it looked a bit airy fairy, almost as if he didn't want to score, the one in the second half that he blazed over the bar, just no way should strikers miss those, that was a defenders effort leaning back, you need to have your body over the ball to keep it down, very disappointing and Hughes will feel vindicated now you see,.. but that's not the end of it you smug litle Welsh twit, Cheapo-Moting wasn't much better so let's see who scores more over the season.

Shaqiri is a player I would love in our side, but as an opposing player he is so f*cking annoying, constantly nagging the refs, complaining about everything when he doesnt get his own way he's jumping around like a cat with a firework up it's arse, it was a great strike but Elliot should have had it unless he saw it really late I don't know, but Shaqiris' celebration leaping around pointing to his name on the back of his shirt, just proved that the chants of "you fat B*stard" in the first half had hurt him  :lol:

Matt Ritchie was man of the match by some way, absolutely brilliant performance, Lascelles the hero again though for his winner, oh i forgot to say another reason I feel confident about winning games now is Merino, he fills you with confidence because he is just what we have been missing in the midfield, his consistency, Shelvey is great but only when he feels like it, he blows hot and cold you never quite know what you are going to get because he does have mental issues, but Merino has his head screwed on the right way, he has all his faculties working and on a football pitch he see's everything, his awareness, his passing, his running with the ball, his tackling, the kid works his socks off in every game and I have no doubt a lot of our players are watching him during a game and thinking 'we've got a good one here' and would rather have his rock solid consistency in the side than the loose cannon Shelvey.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: t00nraider_ on September 17, 2017, 05:05:57 PM
so you think Merino ahead of Colback?
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ohsholaameobi on September 17, 2017, 07:06:00 PM
That first Joselu chance he just didn't quite reach, got no blame for me on that one.
The second it rebounded to him and he just reacted without thinking to place it in the corner, a bad miss.
The third was an absolute sitter like.

Also Atsu should've got it out his feet quicker and scored when he went clean through.

Stoke had their chances too but thought we were more than worthy of 3 points.

Hopefully can keep the momentum going and get at least a point down Brighton.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: ohsholaameobi on September 17, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
Ritchie now has the same assists as David Silva, and 1 more than De Bruyne, Eriksen, 2 more than Mahrez...

?12m, what an absolute steal.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: French on September 17, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
Great win, great atmosphere, fantastic work rate.
Merino is an outstanding player. How refreshing to have a player with such ability and such a vision for the right pass.

The back 4 look so well organised too.

I just love the fact we are doing so well despite under-investment in the squad. Get the best of your players and your team should be the number 1 goal of any manager. Well done Rafa  :thumbs:

31 points to get in 33 games

I despise Stoke and Mark Hughes.
Title: Re: Newcastle v Stoke City early thoughts
Post by: southern_toon on September 18, 2017, 10:04:15 AM
would have been happy with a point before the match so 3 is fantastic. Keep it up!!